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Norman had been a member of Lyons\/Leo from the early days and was<br>Operations manager on LEO 1, LEO II\/1, and LEO III\/7 before becoming Computer<br>Consultant to the Lyons group of companies.<br>Norman lived in Chalfont St Giles (I think this is correct) and Peter Bird (Lyons<br>Programming Manager) and Alex Tepper (Lyons Operations manager) would go to visit<br>him fairly frequently. Carol Hurst, who was at our meeting, also lived nearby and had<br>also left Lyons would join the others making a foursome. In my Lyons career I started in<br>Operations as an operator (employed by Norman) and later became a consultant working<br>with Norman. When Alex Tepper was promoted to Head of Computing for Lyons I<br>became Operations manager and joined the gathering.<br>All Lyons computer staff are quite a close knit group and various members moved into<br>senior positions within other companies within the group as Accountants or Head of<br>Computing, etc. Tony Thompson, who you met, became Chief Accountant for various<br>companies, Alan King (now passed away) became head of Lyons Maid computing. They<br>joined in our meetings and gradually as time went on our group has continued but with<br>varying members, as old ones passed away others came to know of us and joined. Peter<br>Bird was the mainstay organiser as he had the most contacts. Cyril Lanch is a fairly<br>newcomer to our group but did not step back quick enough when volunteers were sought<br>to carry on Peter\u2019s organising! Hopefully that explains our group, now for the<br>LEO\/Lyons feelings \u2013 difficult!<br>History of Lyons and computers. Lyons built a computer to do work for Lyons Electronic<br>Office (LEO), staff working on the computers were Lyons staff. With the success of<br>computers Lyons formed a computer company LEO Computers Ltd but the staff although<br>working for LEO were still Lyons staff at heart. When the company LEO was sold the<br>computers remained at Lyons and were operated by Leo staff until they chose to remain<br>at Lyons or were replaced by new Lyons staff.<br>Lyons computer history goes from LEO I through Leo II\/1, LEO III\/7, LEO 326\/46 and<br>eventually to IBM computers. Our attachment to LEO may be explained by the fact that<br>the original computers were still in use at Lyons long after LEO had been sold and in<br>many instances the staff working them were the original staff. When LEO was sold the<br>computer department became LEO and METHODS, then Lyons Computer Services Ltd<br>(LCS My best analogy would be: If you had a daughter and she got married she would<br>still be your daughter and a member of your family although she would have joined<br>another family, you would continue to be proud of her. The same is how our computer<br>department feel.<br>When LEO was sold the computer department became LEO and METHODS, then Lyons<br>Computer Services Ltd (LCS), and finally Lyons Information Systems Ltd (LIS).<br>As you may now gather we were very proud of our heritage but so was the computer<br>industry. We as a Computer Bureau (which we had been from day 1 of computers)<br>strived to continue to be at the forefront of computer usage and computer and peripheral<br>manufacturers were very keen to be associated with us offering us very competitive deals<br>to use their equipment. Our computer department was frequently put under the<br>microscope by the main Lyons Board as the newer family Board members felt that<br>computing was expensive but on every occasion the auditing companies, including IBM,<br>were in awe as to how we are able to do so much with so little and still lead the<br>world. An example of this was back when Lyons had a fire on the Xeronic Printer in the<br>LEO III\/7 computer room. We made an arrangement with the Post Office (as it was then)<br>to use their LEO III (overnight) in Charles House which was just across the road from<br>us. Our shift of 6 operators replaced a shift of 20+ operators.<br>I cannot remember the trade magazine that did a piece on us as we were the first company<br>to wire an entire building with various departments on different floors to use Local Area<br>Networks linked into the mainframe. Also, one of our external customers was a large<br>American personal tax company which had a large computer centre in the States but<br>wanted a worldwide centre based in London. We installed a duplicate of their system<br>onto our computer, they provided no computing staff as all maintenance etc. would be<br>done from the States we only had two user\/managers with us. Their system was difficult<br>for their users to manage and I spent a lot of time supporting them because of the<br>complexity of their system.<br>Eventually I volunteered to improve it for them and wrote a few simple programs<br>and restructured their system making it much more efficient (saving hours a day of<br>machine and their input time). The computer staff in America were interested in what I<br>had done and came over to see for themselves, they were amazed and the CEO asked<br>permission to adopt our version of their system to replace their own!<br>My own involvement with Lyons started while I was at school. My brother, Colin, whom<br>you met was an operator at Lyons on LEO II\/1 (but employed by LEO Computers) and I<br>used to go with him to work some evenings or when I was not at school. I was able to<br>help operate the LEO II computer (unofficially of course) and met the engineers on the<br>LEO III\/7. When Colin moved to Hartree House I also used to go there as well and<br>helped out on the LEO III installed there. I loved the job and it really appealed to me so<br>when I left school (in 1966) I went for interviews at Lyons and ICT (as it was<br>then). Norman interviewed me and offered me the job (it helped that I knew several of<br>the staff by name which impressed him!). I worked my way up from trainee operator to<br>Ops Manager until the closure of the company in 1991. I won\u2019t bore you with my life<br>history of the roles I held and of the changes in company structure that I made over the<br>years as most of this was during our IBM period.<br>I hope that this gives you some insight into our little group and our attachment to LEO<br>and why we feel a little side-lined when at the LEO Computer Society gatherings Lyons<br>seems to be irrelevant. Maybe that is changing now but at the few meetings I went to<br>over the years that is how it seemed which is why I have never bothered joining<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Brian Hobson: I am glad that you, (Hilary Caminer), were able to attend our recent\u201cLEO do\u201d as chaotic as it was! You asked if I would explain the origins of our group andalso to help you understand our Lyons\/LEO relationship as it seemed rather confusing.I will do my best. 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